Comments on: Is this a constitutional crisis or just a bunch of nuts? http://www.blogordie.com/2008/12/is-this-a-constitutional-crisis-or-just-a-bunch-of-nuts/ Thoughts and commentary on politics, technology, religion and current events Mon, 30 Jan 2012 05:13:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Kevin http://www.blogordie.com/2008/12/is-this-a-constitutional-crisis-or-just-a-bunch-of-nuts/comment-page-1/#comment-52732 Kevin Wed, 14 Jan 2009 04:04:34 +0000 http://www.blogordie.com/?p=461#comment-52732 The selective service registration was released under FOIA. Certified Copy of Original Birth Certificate is released. Certified PHOTOCopy of Original Birth Certificate is not released. The selective service registration was released under FOIA.

Certified Copy of Original Birth Certificate is released. Certified PHOTOCopy of Original Birth Certificate is not released.

]]> By: Kevin http://www.blogordie.com/2008/12/is-this-a-constitutional-crisis-or-just-a-bunch-of-nuts/comment-page-1/#comment-52730 Kevin Wed, 14 Jan 2009 03:54:20 +0000 http://www.blogordie.com/?p=461#comment-52730 You say: "Barry has <em>prevented</em> a proper vetting of his eligibility by <em>sealing</em>" but this implies an activity that Barack Obama undertook that caused a record which was available to become unavailable. You make a long list, but you cannot show the actions by which Obama made an available record unavailable. That is, you just made it up. You say: “Barry has prevented a proper vetting of his eligibility by sealing” but this implies an activity that Barack Obama undertook that caused a record which was available to become unavailable. You make a long list, but you cannot show the actions by which Obama made an available record unavailable.

That is, you just made it up.

]]> By: Truth http://www.blogordie.com/2008/12/is-this-a-constitutional-crisis-or-just-a-bunch-of-nuts/comment-page-1/#comment-52723 Truth Wed, 07 Jan 2009 18:21:21 +0000 http://www.blogordie.com/?p=461#comment-52723 Yes Jasper, you have to choose your words correctly in here, being careful not to just quote something you read or heard, but that it is without a doubt a Fact. SEALED, well that isn't exactly a fact. (I'm not being sarcastic towards you Kev, but instead the system) I hear you about setting a precedence for the future, your exactly right. I think maybe AVOIDED is a more accurate description of what BHO has done. He knows there are many people wanting to see the Vault B.C. His representatives(for lack of a better word) KNOW this. EVeryone knows that it has been requested to see the vault copy, yet where are we after a few months? Instead of just having it shown, we hear all the rhetoric about why it should not be shown, or more accurately why IF it is shown that seeing it won't be good enough, then the people asking will want to see something else. BHO was "IN" Hawaii recently for how long? A week or more? I don't know exactly. Why would a professional mature person not take a small bit of time to walk down the street and get what everyone wants to see? I lived there 3.5 years, it is not a big place, he probably drove past the building a dozen times while staying there, if not walked, if not..cough cough....visited the actual records department with a Christmas gift. BUT, Sealed, oh Heavens no, his B.C. is not Sealed. It just can't be seen or shown or looked at by anyone other than BHO and a Hawaii Rep. saying "Yep, we have one." I mean if it is good proving him Born in Hawaii, and the COLB posted online is such an equivalent document and IT is posted online, WHY NOT shut everyone up and get the Real Doc. posted online? The answer(s) to that depends how you voted on Nov. 4th. Jaspar, the precedence HAS been set. People want to see CHANGE. Well, they are about to get it, like it or not. Have you heard how loosely BHO uses the term "Trillion" dollars lately. How did we jump past "Billions" so fast, when just a few weeks back that sounded like the end of our economy? Be Strong Yes Jasper, you have to choose your words correctly in here, being careful not to just quote something you read or heard, but that it is without a doubt a Fact. SEALED, well that isn’t exactly a fact. (I’m not being sarcastic towards you Kev, but instead the system)

I hear you about setting a precedence for the future, your exactly right. I think maybe AVOIDED is a more accurate description of what BHO has done. He knows there are many people wanting to see the Vault B.C. His representatives(for lack of a better word) KNOW this. EVeryone knows that it has been requested to see the vault copy, yet where are we after a few months? Instead of just having it shown, we hear all the rhetoric about why it should not be shown, or more accurately why IF it is shown that seeing it won’t be good enough, then the people asking will want to see something else.

BHO was “IN” Hawaii recently for how long? A week or more? I don’t know exactly. Why would a professional mature person not take a small bit of time to walk down the street and get what everyone wants to see? I lived there 3.5 years, it is not a big place, he probably drove past the building a dozen times while staying there, if not walked, if not..cough cough….visited the actual records department with a Christmas gift.

BUT, Sealed, oh Heavens no, his B.C. is not Sealed. It just can’t be seen or shown or looked at by anyone other than BHO and a Hawaii Rep. saying “Yep, we have one.” I mean if it is good proving him Born in Hawaii, and the COLB posted online is such an equivalent document and IT is posted online, WHY NOT shut everyone up and get the Real Doc. posted online? The answer(s) to that depends how you voted on Nov. 4th.

Jaspar, the precedence HAS been set. People want to see CHANGE. Well, they are about to get it, like it or not. Have you heard how loosely BHO uses the term “Trillion” dollars lately. How did we jump past “Billions” so fast, when just a few weeks back that sounded like the end of our economy?

Be Strong

]]> By: Jasper http://www.blogordie.com/2008/12/is-this-a-constitutional-crisis-or-just-a-bunch-of-nuts/comment-page-1/#comment-52721 Jasper Wed, 07 Jan 2009 06:27:13 +0000 http://www.blogordie.com/?p=461#comment-52721 I know you are an advocate of the use of the dictionary to define words - so looking up the term sealed on http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sealed you will find the following: sealed - undisclosed for the time being; "sealed orders"; "a sealed move in chess" concealed - hidden on any grounds for any motive; "a concealed weapon"; "a concealed compartment in his briefcase" So going with that definition and some quick research on the internet... 1. Occidental College records -- Not released 2. Columbia College records -- Not released 3. Columbia Thesis paper -- 'not available' 4. Harvard College records -- Not released 5. Selective Service Registration -- Not released 6. Medical records -- Not released 7. Illinois State Senate schedule -- 'not available' 8. Law practice client list -- Not released 9. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate - - Not released 10. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth -- Not released 11. Harvard Law Review articles published -- None 12. University of Chicago scholarly articles -- None 13. Your Record of baptism-- Not released or 'not available' 14. Your Illinois State Senate records--'not available' To me the term "not released" "sealed" "not available" "undisclosed" "hidden on any grounds..." are the same... I know you are an advocate of the use of the dictionary to define words – so looking up the term sealed on http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sealed you will find the following:

sealed – undisclosed for the time being; “sealed orders”; “a sealed move in chess”
concealed – hidden on any grounds for any motive; “a concealed weapon”; “a concealed compartment in his briefcase”

So going with that definition and some quick research on the internet…

1. Occidental College records — Not released
2. Columbia College records — Not released
3. Columbia Thesis paper — ‘not available’
4. Harvard College records — Not released
5. Selective Service Registration — Not released
6. Medical records — Not released
7. Illinois State Senate schedule — ‘not available’
8. Law practice client list — Not released
9. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate – - Not released
10. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth — Not released
11. Harvard Law Review articles published — None
12. University of Chicago scholarly articles — None
13. Your Record of baptism– Not released or ‘not available’
14. Your Illinois State Senate records–’not available’

To me the term “not released” “sealed” “not available” “undisclosed” “hidden on any grounds…” are the same…

]]> By: Jasper James http://www.blogordie.com/2008/12/is-this-a-constitutional-crisis-or-just-a-bunch-of-nuts/comment-page-1/#comment-52720 Jasper James Wed, 07 Jan 2009 03:18:06 +0000 http://www.blogordie.com/?p=461#comment-52720 Sorry I should have said "not available" or "not released" Records Not Available Records sealed at Illinois http://beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/story/barack_obama_records_sealed_at_illinois/ Records sealed in Hawaii http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79174 Michelle Obama records sealed http://www.redcounty.com/sarasota/2008/12/another-sealed-obama-record/ Daley Library records sealed http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/08/obamas_sealed_records_daley_li.html Kenya Records ? http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Talk/talk.politics.guns/2008-11/msg01914.html Internet Funding Sources http://alanpetersnewsbriefs.blogspot.com/2008/07/obamas-campaign-funds-legal.html Passport records not available http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Njg2YzAyMDNmNTczNjliMTdmZDQxYWYyOTYxODlhMDQ= Senate Records not available http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2008/04/07/obama-records-obama-senate-records-obama-personal-records-larry-sinclair-november-4-1999-subpoena/ 1. Occidental College records — Not released 2. Columbia College records — Not released 3. Columbia Thesis paper — not available, locked down by faculty 4. Harvard College records — Not released, locked down by faculty 5. Selective Service Registration — Not released 6. Medical records — Not released 7. Illinois State Senate schedule — “not available” 8. Law practice client list — Not released 9. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate - - Not released 10. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth — Not released 11. Harvard Law Review articles published — None 12. University of Chicago scholarly articles — None Sorry I should have said “not available” or “not released”

Records Not Available

Records sealed at Illinois
http://beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/story/barack_obama_records_sealed_at_illinois/

Records sealed in Hawaii
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79174

Michelle Obama records sealed
http://www.redcounty.com/sarasota/2008/12/another-sealed-obama-record/

Daley Library records sealed
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/08/obamas_sealed_records_daley_li.html

Kenya Records ?
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Talk/talk.politics.guns/2008-11/msg01914.html

Internet Funding Sources
http://alanpetersnewsbriefs.blogspot.com/2008/07/obamas-campaign-funds-legal.html

Passport records not available
http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Njg2YzAyMDNmNTczNjliMTdmZDQxYWYyOTYxODlhMDQ=

Senate Records not available
http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2008/04/07/obama-records-obama-senate-records-obama-personal-records-larry-sinclair-november-4-1999-subpoena/

1. Occidental College records — Not released
2. Columbia College records — Not released
3. Columbia Thesis paper — not available, locked down by faculty
4. Harvard College records — Not released, locked down by faculty
5. Selective Service Registration — Not released
6. Medical records — Not released
7. Illinois State Senate schedule — “not available”
8. Law practice client list — Not released
9. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate – - Not released
10. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth — Not released
11. Harvard Law Review articles published — None
12. University of Chicago scholarly articles — None

]]> By: Kevin http://www.blogordie.com/2008/12/is-this-a-constitutional-crisis-or-just-a-bunch-of-nuts/comment-page-1/#comment-52718 Kevin Tue, 06 Jan 2009 13:01:25 +0000 http://www.blogordie.com/?p=461#comment-52718 Nobody sealed any records. Get your facts straight if you want to be listened to. Nobody sealed any records. Get your facts straight if you want to be listened to.

]]> By: Jasper http://www.blogordie.com/2008/12/is-this-a-constitutional-crisis-or-just-a-bunch-of-nuts/comment-page-1/#comment-52717 Jasper Tue, 06 Jan 2009 07:02:52 +0000 http://www.blogordie.com/?p=461#comment-52717 Kevin, its not just the BC issue that bothers me. It the precedent being set by Obama. Seal your records, hire lawyers to keep your past sealed. Right now you probably like Obama for some reason and its OK if he seals all his records, but what if the next presidential canidate is a James Buchanan, or David Duke. Is it OK if they seal all their records? Thats where the problem is - what's next? You need to fight Now to prevent this type of hiding behind privacy issues to prevent a proper Vetting of the man running for office. He is in a Public Office - his right of Privacy is forever gone. That is just the way it is. Remeber Nixon? Before Kennedy was shot - he warned us about the secrecy... The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control. And no official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press and the public the facts they deserve to know. Kevin, its not just the BC issue that bothers me. It the precedent being set by Obama. Seal your records, hire lawyers to keep your past sealed. Right now you probably like Obama for some reason and its OK if he seals all his records, but what if the next presidential canidate is a James Buchanan, or David Duke. Is it OK if they seal all their records? Thats where the problem is – what’s next? You need to fight Now to prevent this type of hiding behind privacy issues to prevent a proper Vetting of the man running for office. He is in a Public Office – his right of Privacy is forever gone. That is just the way it is. Remeber Nixon? Before Kennedy was shot – he warned us about the secrecy… The very word “secrecy” is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control. And no official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press and the public the facts they deserve to know.

]]> By: Jasper http://www.blogordie.com/2008/12/is-this-a-constitutional-crisis-or-just-a-bunch-of-nuts/comment-page-1/#comment-52716 Jasper Tue, 06 Jan 2009 06:32:33 +0000 http://www.blogordie.com/?p=461#comment-52716 Vetting is a process of examination and evaluation, generally referring to performing a background check on someone before offering him or her employment. Without Vetting the Election Process is a mockery. Barry has prevented a proper vetting of his eligibility by sealing relevant documents about his past life such as his BC, Passports, School Records, Parental Passports, Parental Marriage Documents, Parental Divorce Documents and much much more. Some say that his COLB Proves he was born in Hawaii, but does it really? Is it not possible that he born at home, or Kenya, or Canada, or who knows where and then register his birth in Hawaii? The only way to know for sure would be to look at the BC. Some say that the records that he has sealed are Private. But what is so private about any of these records anyway? Nancy Pelosi has signed a document that says that Obama is “qualified” for the job as President, but what did she do to verify that fact? Has any official come forward and said they checked out his records, his BC, his passports, his adoption records and verified the truth? Has the FBI done this? If so- why not state for the record that he is qualified- but better let the people see the records so they can be satisfied for themselves that the man they have selected for the most important job in the World is qualified – and that he is not hiding something that he can be blackmailed for. You neglect the fact that so far no court has ruled that NBC is the same as a CAB. Legal Scholars debate this issue and write article and Congress has tried to pass several bills to clarify the meaning of NBC. Ergo - its not resolved no matter how logical your point of view. Without a definitive court ruling a Dictionary defining the meaning of NBC is irrelevant. For me - our fore-fathers and Framers of the constituion would not consider Barry an NBC as they meant the term. Vetting is a process of examination and evaluation, generally referring to performing a background check on someone before offering him or her employment. Without Vetting the Election Process is a mockery. Barry has prevented a proper vetting of his eligibility by sealing relevant documents about his past life such as his BC, Passports, School Records, Parental Passports, Parental Marriage Documents, Parental Divorce Documents and much much more. Some say that his COLB Proves he was born in Hawaii, but does it really? Is it not possible that he born at home, or Kenya, or Canada, or who knows where and then register his birth in Hawaii? The only way to know for sure would be to look at the BC. Some say that the records that he has sealed are Private. But what is so private about any of these records anyway? Nancy Pelosi has signed a document that says that Obama is “qualified” for the job as President, but what did she do to verify that fact? Has any official come forward and said they checked out his records, his BC, his passports, his adoption records and verified the truth? Has the FBI done this? If so- why not state for the record that he is qualified- but better let the people see the records so they can be satisfied for themselves that the man they have selected for the most important job in the World is qualified – and that he is not hiding something that he can be blackmailed for.

You neglect the fact that so far no court has ruled that NBC is the same as a CAB. Legal Scholars debate this issue and write article and Congress has tried to pass several bills to clarify the meaning of NBC. Ergo – its not resolved no matter how logical your point of view. Without a definitive court ruling a Dictionary defining the meaning of NBC is irrelevant. For me – our fore-fathers and Framers of the constituion would not consider Barry an NBC as they meant the term.

]]> By: TRUTH http://www.blogordie.com/2008/12/is-this-a-constitutional-crisis-or-just-a-bunch-of-nuts/comment-page-1/#comment-52711 TRUTH Sun, 04 Jan 2009 20:14:05 +0000 http://www.blogordie.com/?p=461#comment-52711 "NOW that we know..???" That is a peculiar way of putting it coming from you Kevin. As if, well I'll leave it at that and not speculate. It speaks for itself. “NOW that we know..???” That is a peculiar way of putting it coming from you Kevin. As if, well I’ll leave it at that and not speculate. It speaks for itself.

]]> By: Kevin http://www.blogordie.com/2008/12/is-this-a-constitutional-crisis-or-just-a-bunch-of-nuts/comment-page-1/#comment-52708 Kevin Sat, 03 Jan 2009 20:39:41 +0000 http://www.blogordie.com/?p=461#comment-52708 My guess, and this is really speculation, is that a second birth certificate would be greeted with as much skepticism as the first, resulting in distracting publicity. Now that we know definitely that the Obamas were married when Barack Jr was born, I can't think of any other reason not to make a copy available. My guess, and this is really speculation, is that a second birth certificate would be greeted with as much skepticism as the first, resulting in distracting publicity. Now that we know definitely that the Obamas were married when Barack Jr was born, I can’t think of any other reason not to make a copy available.

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